[13:10]  Welcome Mat: Welcome to Boracay! :-) Home of  informal, group self-directed learning and communities of practice. To find out more, please click the About Boracay button on the map or click the noticeboard for a wikispace url. Have serious fun!, Grog Waydelich.

[13:51]  You: You'll have to remind us of your RL name (if you want to)

[13:51]  Seku Shinji: joy robinson..

[13:51]  Seku Shinji: i lurk..mostly

[13:52]  enaV Bulloch: yes mine is Vanessa Camilleri

[13:52]  Seku Shinji: nice to meet u

[13:52]  enaV Bulloch: pleasure for me to be here

[13:52]  Seku Shinji: wher is everyone from.

[13:52]  Seku Shinji: in in chicago

[13:52]  enaV Bulloch: I am from Malta

[13:52]  You: and what does everybody do?

[13:52]  You: some people just arrived - will go guide them

[13:52]  enaV Bulloch: my colleague here Maxim is from Malta too

[13:53]  Seku Shinji: i am a phd student.. doing working virtual wolds

[13:53]  enaV Bulloch: perfect

[13:53]  Sagredo Kawashima: yes. Nice to meet you Grog.

[13:55]  enaV Bulloch: we are already doing some work with students

[13:55]  Maxim Myoo: ok?

[13:55]  enaV Bulloch: and we would like to develop some collaborations

[13:55]  Seku Shinji: ya... just wanted to move

[13:55]  You: there's still 5 minutes before official start time

[13:55]  Seku Shinji: i am eager to collaborate..

[13:55]  Seku Shinji: what are you studying

[13:55]  You: while we're waiting for everyone else, we can introduce ourselves?

[13:56]  Seku Shinji: sure..

[13:56]  Seku Shinji: i am joy robinson.. i am a phd student from chicago

[13:56]  Seku Shinji: i work in digital media..

[13:56]  You: what's your PhD topic Joy?

[13:56]  Seku Shinji: not yet setlled.. but very intersted in virtual worlds.. games and identity

[13:56]  You: hi Fletcher - we're just introducing ourselves while we wait for everyone to turn up

[13:56]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Hey all

[13:56]  Seku Shinji: might be moving universities shortly

[13:57]  You: hey Typwriter!

[13:57]  Fletcher Finesmith: hello all

[13:57]  Seku Shinji: hi all

[13:57]  enaV Bulloch: hi all

[13:57]  Sagredo Kawashima: Hello to everybody, too.

[13:57]  You: How does everybody feel about using RL identities? I don't want to push the idea if people don't want to do it.

[13:58]  Seku Shinji: fine..

[13:58]  enaV Bulloch: fine as well

[13:58]  Maxim Myoo: not a problem

[13:58]  Typewriter Tackleberry: i am transparent so fine with me but i understnad if someone doesn;t want to share

[13:58]  Seku Shinji: hi..joy here...from chicago.. as seku

[13:58]  You: It's one of the "key features" of SL, I find -- trying to remember all the pseudonyms

[13:59]  Sagredo Kawashima: Fine too.. but wont' be easy to remember. Perhaps we could just put a link on our profile? And I perfectly understand those that do not want to share...

[13:59]  Sagredo Kawashima: Anyway, Mario from Rome, Social Simulation.

[13:59]  Typewriter Tackleberry: agreed and my info is in my profile

[13:59]  You: social simulation in SL?

[13:59]  Dongon Takaaki: hello guys, my name is Don, I'm Greg's roommate. I doing some research on avatar appearance customization.

[14:00]  Seeker Esparza: grog, I might wait at the central landing spot

[14:00]  Seeker Esparza: people are arriving and not knowing where to fo

[14:00]  enaV Bulloch: I am Vanessa Camilleri, from Malta - I wish to develop more research on developing AI for avatars in SL

[14:00]  Sagredo Kawashima: Nope. I'd like and I have a few ideas, but I'm very far even from preparing a proper plan of action.

[14:00]  You: thanks that would be great - guide people in

[14:00]  Seeker Esparza: Yes,

[14:00]  You: That's another "feature" of SL I run into all the time - when I TP to an event I often can't find it.

[14:00]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Thanks you so much seeker

[14:01]  Fletcher Finesmith: I am an instructional designer interested in applications of SL for distance ed.

[14:01]  You: It's disorienting if you are going to an area for the first time.

[14:02]  You: So - on the topic of pseudonymity - I gave up on anonymity pretty quickly and make my RL identity plain. (Greg Wadley, Uni of Melbourne)

[14:02]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Before we sart is someone saving this stram for the SLRL list

[14:02]  You: I think for teachers especially they give up on pseudonymity

[14:03]  You: Hell I'm finding it hard to spell pseudonymity

[14:03]  Sleepy Littlething: hi everyone

[14:03]  You: I'll save the chat log

[14:03]  You: oh you made it Sleepy!

[14:03]  Sagredo Kawashima: Hmm, I already see the chat coming out in nearly random order. Anyone has an idea on what's the best way to try and keep a streamlined discourse? Grog/Greg, perhaps you should call turns for people to talk. Also, I'm in favour of long lines. But perhaps it shows.

[14:03]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Hi Sleepy

[14:03]  Sleepy Littlething: hi

[14:03]  Marcelle Llewellyn: I'm also working in student affairs, trying to do more tech stuff, so I have to have a professional avatar that's linked to my RL identity

[14:04]  You: I go to a couple of weekly discussion groups - eg "Thinkers". I usually find I can follow the threads, even when it gets hectic. Let's see how we go for a while.

[14:04]  You: Are there enough chairs?

[14:04]  You: I have my mini-map open and can see people arriving at the TP

[14:04]  Seeker Esparza: sorry about that!

[14:05]  You: Maybe in a couple of minutes we should declare ourselves officially open and start our introdcutions proper?

[14:05]  Sleepy Littlething: ok

[14:05]  Sleepy Littlething: sounds good

[14:05]  You: a little furnishing there

[14:05]  Seeker Esparza: maybe we should move to the spot up near the tree that has more seating?

[14:06]  Butch Dae: Hi Everyone

[14:06]  You: Oh, maybe after everyone's here or we'll all get lost

[14:06]  Sleepy Littlething: Could some more boxes just be rezed as people arrive?

[14:06]  Typewriter Tackleberry: looks like we are going to have a full house

[14:06]  Seeker Esparza: yes

[14:07]  You: I'll try to be a hands-off facilitator unless it's necessary to do otherwise. I think it would be nice for us to be able to chat feely. Let's see how that goes.

[14:07]  Seku Shinji: :)

[14:07]  You: I figure, most of our first meeting will be two topics: (1) introductions, who we are, what we research, and (2) how we want these meetings to function.

[14:08]  Sagredo Kawashima: As we introduce ourselves, we could move our avatars towards people working in the same field - at least what looks like the same field - and give a visual effect of our research fields distribution *smiling, thinking at the mayhem that this could cause*

[14:08]  You: sure - that could be interesting

[14:08]  You: I wonder what the topic groupings will be

[14:08]  enaV Bulloch: cool

[14:08]  You: Well, shall I start?

[14:09]  Fletcher Finesmith: please do

[14:09]  Sleepy Littlething: :)

[14:09]  Sagredo Kawashima: Education will be a large one. I wonder if there's somebody from AI. Yes, Grog, go ahead.

[14:09]  You: Yes - education - maybe they should congragate near the coffee machine :-)

[14:09]  Typewriter Tackleberry: i might be lonely =)

[14:10]  enaV Bulloch: AI is me

[14:10]  enaV Bulloch: anyone else

[14:10]  enaV Bulloch: ?

[14:10]  Sleepy Littlething: I'm congregating with Fletcher in cafine education - lol

[14:10]  Typewriter Tackleberry: I do quantitative vw and media studies

[14:11]  You: Ok my RL is "Greg Wadley". I am a teacher and PhD researcher at the Uni of Melbourne in Australia. I am currently a visiting researcher at PARC in california. My PhD is on using voice in virtual worlds (comparing with text, across several VWs). My PARC project was on collaborative building in SL. There is a writeup at http://blogs.parc.com/playon/

[14:11]  You: Gee that took a while to type - maybe we should all start typing our bios at once?

[14:11]  Typewriter Tackleberry: do work with Nick yee there?

[14:11]  Typewriter Tackleberry: LOL

[14:11]  You: Nick Yee is down the hall - he is in a meeting this afternoon and can't come to this mtg

[14:12]  Sagredo Kawashima: anyway my suggestion was to congregate as we introduce ourselves, not before, so to let the groups emerge from self organization.

[14:12]  Dongon Takaaki: I'm doing research on avatar appearance customization. I'm a visiting research at Palo Alto Research Center too.

[14:12]  Typewriter Tackleberry: I am Mark Bell a PhD Student at Indiana University studying mediated trust especially in virtual worlds with Castronova.

[14:12]  You: My supervisor here is Nic Ducheneaut, and my room-mate is Don, who just introduced himself.

[14:12]  Marcelle Llewellyn: I'm a working on my Masters in Women and Gender Studies at George Mason University (my RL name is Karen Wolf). I'm working on gendered embodiement in SL as a thesis topic.

[14:12]  Seeker Esparza: Dongon, I'm very interested in your work, I'm looking at relationships between humans and avatars and the variables associated with them

[14:12]  Catraoine Flanagan: I've just finished an MSc in technology and learning at Trinity colege Dublin

[14:12]  Seku Shinji: hi..joy robinson and i am phd student and would like to work on virtual games and identity

[14:13]  You: Seeker did you see Don's blog entry at http://blogs.parc.com/playon/ ?

[14:13]  Typewriter Tackleberry: me too seeker and how trust is related to them =)

[14:13]  Sleepy Littlething: I've just completed my MSc research in MUVE/VWs in education. I am now about to start my PhD in the same area, expanding the work of my MSc thesis. All at Trinity College, Dublin.

[14:13]  Sleepy Littlething: Ah Typewriter - taht sounds very interseting

[14:13]  Seeker Esparza: Yes, thank's so much for pointing me to it!

[14:13]  Fletcher Finesmith: I am a doc student in Educational Leadership and also the tech coordinator for the College of Education at East Carolina University.

[14:13]  Marcelle Llewellyn: seeker, I would be intereted in how gender plays outbetween humans and their avatars, or their perception of others avatars

[14:13]  Sheila Yoshikawa: ok I'm on the faculty at Sheffield University , UK, Department of Information Studies and my research interests are exploring the meaning of information literacy and information behaviour in SL

[14:13]  Seku Shinji: im just finishing my masters in youth media and participation technologies

[14:14]  You: Mark, is there a mechanism for mediating trust in SL?

[14:14]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Trust is an area people assume and don't study much i am have an amazing time with it

[14:14]  Typewriter Tackleberry: i will finding and studying just that =)

[14:14]  enaV Bulloch: HI am Vanessa Camilleri, just finished my Masters in IT about flexible learning environments, but now want to start my M.Phil, in SL and virtual worlds combining AI with Avatar development

[14:14]  Seeker Esparza: I bet you are typewriter

[14:14]  Sagredo Kawashima: I'm doing Social Simulation in Italy, have been teaching SL to students, and would like to exploit SL potential for that. I'm also working on Reputation mechanisms; and Typewiter, we have a strong Trust group just next door.

[14:14]  Seeker Esparza: It's an interesting area

[14:15]  Zolt Wind: RL "Jason Zagami" Academic in Teacher Education @ Griffith Uni Gold Coast Australia researching SL as educational environment, professional development,cognition, programming and a few other things

[14:15]  You: Sagredo - what is Social Simulation ? social networks / agents ?

[14:16]  Sagredo Kawashima: Yes, kind of. We use agents to inquire social situations - with and whitout networks.

[14:17]  You: Something we should address today -- the format of these meetings. Are people happy with text instead of voice? Should we change the timings around week by week? Change the location? Should we have a set topic each week ?

[14:17]  Typewriter Tackleberry: I also have created a Survey HUD in SL to do accademic research

[14:17]  Seku Shinji: 56 setup

[14:17]  enaV Bulloch: i prefer having both text and voice

[14:17]  Marcelle Llewellyn: well, re: txt v. voice, I think the format of future meetings might matter

[14:17]  Fletcher Finesmith: i can do either

[14:17]  patch Paulino: sorry i'm late

[14:17]  Chimera Cosmos: Hi all--I'm Liz Dorland from Washington U in St. Louis. I'm interested in how we learn concepts from visualizations. I was a college chemistry teacher for many years, and I represent the Gordon Research Conference on Visualization in Science and Education that will be next summer at Oxford. Always looking for new members for our international/interdisciplinary community. :-)

[14:17]  patch Paulino: hello everybody

[14:17]  Seeker Esparza: I like text

[14:18]  You: no worries Patch - can you introduce yourself and your research?

[14:18]  Corn Outdoor Chair no.1 3:   sit on the chair then touch to change pose.

[14:18]  Sleepy Littlething: that sounds interesting Typewritter - maybe you could demonstrate it to us at a furture meeting

[14:18]  Seeker Esparza: if people can forgive my typos

[14:18]  Typewriter Tackleberry: hey patch

[14:18]  You: mark can you describe your HUD?

[14:18]  You: I think we'll have to forgive all typos

[14:18]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Well Sleepy if all goes well we will have surveys running soon

[14:18]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Also I am an editor for The Journal Of Virtual Worlds Researcha nd run SLRL

[14:19]  Marcelle Llewellyn: if we're going to have someone present his/her research at any given meeting, it might be easier for that person to be using voice, if they like

[14:19]  Chimera Cosmos: yes, for presentations for sure

[14:19]  Seeker Esparza: yes agree

[14:19]  enaV Bulloch: yes true

[14:19]  Typewriter Tackleberry: totally

[14:19]  Chimera Cosmos: but I suppose it's their choice

[14:19]  Catraoine Flanagan: me too

[14:19]  You: One of the topics I had in mind for today or a later meeting is - what is the range of research methods in SL? Surveys, ethnography, ... anythine else?

[14:19]  Typewriter Tackleberry: experimentation =)

[14:19]  Seeker Esparza: ethics?

[14:20]  You: Mark, the JVWR - that's had one issue I think?

[14:20]  Typewriter Tackleberry: IRB horror stories

[14:20]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Yes the second issue is being edited now

[14:20]  Sleepy Littlething: yes voice for presentations, but I for one need text chat to be able to review - I'm NOT an aural learner and just can't retain information I hear

[14:20]  Marcelle Llewellyn: seeker: that gets so complicated... it's something I'm struggling with

[14:20]  Fletcher Finesmith: I just read the article on crime in SL. Very interesting!

[14:20]  Typewriter Tackleberry: and the CFP is still open for the VW culture issue Mia Consolvo and I are editing

[14:21]  You: I read the first issue

[14:21]  Seeker Esparza: marcelle, yes, it's such a new area for administrators to wrap their head around

[14:21]  Typewriter Tackleberry: we have god a wonderful response about the journal so far

[14:21]  Marcelle Llewellyn: typewriter: is there a link for that cfp?

[14:22]  Chimera Cosmos: I felt like my back was to everyone. :-)

[14:22]  You: re voice - I usually find that text is the default, and a group usually falls back to text if one member doesn't wnat to use voice -- eg if one person is in an office space where they can't use voice out loud, or doesn't have the right hardware

[14:22]  enaV Bulloch: i would like to ask how many people are actually holding classes at university level here amongst us?

[14:22]  Seeker Esparza: The journal is great typewriter - I hope to have something ready in the next few months

[14:22]  Typewriter Tackleberry: getting it now

[14:22]  You: holding classes in SL?

[14:22]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Aweosme Seeker

[14:22]  Sleepy Littlething: I'm hoping to support some classes that are going to take place at our institution this year

[14:22]  Fletcher Finesmith: I am doing faculty professional development about SL

[14:23]  You: I saw your "culture" cfp but wasn't sure whether my research fits the description

[14:23]  Sleepy Littlething: Fletcher - that sounds interesting - do you have a particular way to approach it?

[14:23]  Sheila Yoshikawa: I'm teaching an undergrad class and some masters students and for the UGs I built a model of the resarchprocess to walk round

[14:23]  You: But yes (still on voice) == it makes sense for a "presenter" to use voice and "listeners" to use text

[14:23]  Marcelle Llewellyn: I'm coming largely from a cultural sociology framework, so my work may fit in nicely

[14:23]  enaV Bulloch: has anyone been using SLOODLE? to complement informal training with the addition of resources

[14:23]  Sleepy Littlething: Sheila - do you have a link to that?

[14:24]  Zolt Wind: yes, two small postgrad courses fully in SL and two big undergrad unit that uses SL in tutes

[14:24]  Chimera Cosmos: I'm more interested in faculty professional development, or collaborations that involve students, faculty, and local residents.

[14:24]  Sheila Yoshikawa: I've got the landmark on me ...

[14:24]  You: I sat in on a course at RMIT where the students built things in SL. But the classes were in a RL classroom.

[14:24]  enaV Bulloch: cool how are the post grads turning out?

[14:25]  enaV Bulloch: I have recently attended a conference in Mobile learning

[14:25]  Marcelle Llewellyn: I'm also interested in building student communities through SL, because we have number of distributed campuses, and are lookng for ways for our remote students to feel more involved.

[14:25]  enaV Bulloch: Is anyone experimenting with integrating SL for mobile learning

[14:25]  Zolt Wind: @enaV great, but they ARE studying the future of educational technology

[14:25]  Fletcher Finesmith: We have that problem too, Marcelle. but our faculty are very reluctant to use SL.

[14:26]  Chimera Cosmos: Do you think that building a student community would be facilitated by having them do some actual SL building?

[14:26]  Typewriter Tackleberry: well ther eis a topic all on its own

[14:26]  enaV Bulloch: that is one area I myself have experimented with

[14:26]  Elizabeth Spieler: my daughter does her school on her iphone

[14:26]  enaV Bulloch: I had a small group of undergrad students building and scripting in SL

[14:26]  Marcelle Llewellyn: yes, but a coworker already wrote that thesis ;)

[14:26]  enaV Bulloch: and we got some very interesting results

[14:27]  You: the other thing about voice is, a lot of SL residents are *vehemently* opposed to it. If any of us are in that camp, we may have to stick to text.

[14:27]  Chimera Cosmos: what is your subject area enaV?

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[14:28]  enaV Bulloch: my subject area is mostly AI

[14:28]  You: So what do people think about making these meetings a "presentation". I mean, each week one person presents their research and everyone else comments. Like a research seminar. Or do people prefer a general chinwag?

[14:28]  enaV Bulloch: I am interested mostly in overcoming some learning issues

[14:28]  Seeker Esparza: I think that for most students sl is a place for formal learning, not a place they would necessarily hang-out by choice - interested in what others think

[14:28]  Marcelle Llewellyn: that's an interesting question..... making the community around the bulding process itself, versus for some other reason.... might help break down someof the ramp-up issues

[14:28]  Typewriter Tackleberry: I am interested in seeing results

[14:28]  enaV Bulloch: by having intelligent avatars accompanying people/students

[14:28]  Chimera Cosmos: educators as a whole seem less inclined to be so against voice

[14:28]  enaV Bulloch: throughout their learning experiences

[14:28]  Chimera Cosmos: at least the educators I've met in SL

[14:29]  Marcelle Llewellyn: seeker: that's been my experience thus far, though I'm wondering if that will still be the case in, say, 5 years.

[14:29]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Culture issue CFP: https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/educators/2008-June/023655.html

[14:29]  Sheila Yoshikawa: I would be interested in getting more feedback from researchers on my research steps model - visiting it

[14:29]  Typewriter Tackleberry: I am salso intereste din methods discussions

[14:29]  enaV Bulloch: that's why I was thinking of offering more flexibility during learning

[14:29]  Sleepy Littlething: It would be great to hear where people are at with their research, either starting out, data or analysis stages. It might be a useful peer-review session for some. Others might have questions specific to their research that they would like the opinions of others on.

[14:29]  Zolt Wind: I like voice but it only takes one person for it to fail with and you end up back in text

[14:29]  Sheila Yoshikawa: yes me too - methods discussions

[14:29]  Seeker Esparza: Marcelle, I think it might have something to do with the technology and their understanding about what the environment is about

[14:29]  You: Yes I agree - educators are mostly pro-voice. So does anyone oppose voice in future meetings? For me the concern, when it arises, is about whether I am in a space where I can talk without annoying others in RL.

[14:30]  enaV Bulloch: but adding more intelligence which would take away some of the formality which would be required otherwise

[14:30]  Sleepy Littlething: I personally would be interseted in a discussion around ethics - as it came up in a lecture I attended today.

[14:30]  patch Paulino: i agree

[14:30]  Sheila Yoshikawa: personally i do quite like chat except where one person is giving a more formal presentatiuon

[14:30]  Marcelle Llewellyn: I'd definitely be interested in specific feedback on my research, especially since I'm mostly a n00b, so I'm interested in doing research presentations

[14:30]  You: Most SL "presentations" tend to turn into a chat in parallel with the presentation - so we may get the best of both worlds.

[14:30]  Chimera Cosmos: yes, I prefer chat except for the presenter

[14:30]  Marcelle Llewellyn: would also be interested in research methods/ethics discussion

[14:30]  Fletcher Finesmith: I agree with Marcelle.

[14:31]  Seku Shinji: ya, me too i would love to attend presentations..i want see more of other researchers

[14:31]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Ethics is definiely somthing we need to discuss

[14:31]  You: Here's a suggestion - how about everyone who is interested in presenting a topic, email me their topic, name and preferred dates, and I'll see if I can put a schedule together?

[14:31]  Seeker Esparza: maybe we could come up with a program of presentations?

[14:31]  Chimera Cosmos: Marcelle: yes, that's my thinking--forming the community around the building process

[14:31]  Seku Shinji: awesome..

[14:31]  You: (My project is finished at PARC and I need something to do :-)

[14:31]  Seeker Esparza: yes, Grog, exactly

[14:31]  enaV Bulloch: yes agreed

[14:32]  Chimera Cosmos: what if the person in charge that week decided on the format?

[14:32]  You: I am keen for that format, and have three or four topics of my own in mind.

[14:32]  Marcelle Llewellyn: grog: that sounds good

[14:32]  Sleepy Littlething: maybe we could split the time - 30mins for presentation and discussion and 30mins for a topic of choice - such as research methods, ethics, data collection etc

[14:32]  You: The person presenting?

[14:32]  Chimera Cosmos: and the one in charge could decide whether to do a formal presentation of their work

[14:32]  Typewriter Tackleberry: sounds good

[14:32]  enaV Bulloch: would be cool i think

[14:33]  You: Sure - the presenter chooses the format, and the length of time they want to present before the session turns into chat. All agreed?

[14:33]  Zolt Wind is Online

[14:33]  enaV Bulloch: yes

[14:33]  Fletcher Finesmith: Aye

[14:33]  Catraoine Flanagan: yes

[14:33]  Chimera Cosmos: yes

[14:33]  Marcelle Llewellyn: agreed

[14:33]  Typewriter Tackleberry: aye

[14:33]  patch Paulino: yes

[14:33]  Sheila Yoshikawa: yes

[14:33]  Dongon Takaaki: I agree

[14:33]  Zolt Wind: yes

[14:33]  You: Do we have time to discuss a specific topic today?

[14:33]  You: I figure these are one-hour meetings - that's the usual seminar timeslot

[14:34]  You: Has anyone noticed - I am a touch typist

[14:34]  Chimera Cosmos: right, but some could stay on to chat more if they wanted to

[14:34]  Seeker Esparza: lol

[14:34]  Marcelle Llewellyn: I'm home, so my schedule is flexible

[14:34]  Chimera Cosmos: and we could have dancing sometimes :-)

[14:34]  Seku Shinji: lol

[14:34]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Maybe we can have meetings leeding up to things like AoIR, ICA and NCA conferences

[14:34]  enaV Bulloch: :)

[14:34]  Sleepy Littlething: yeah - dancing :)

[14:34]  You: I just wish that coffee machine was real

[14:34]  Seeker Esparza: It pains me to agree that time slot seems to wuit (I'm not a morning person)

[14:34]  Sleepy Littlething: what are those conferences?

[14:35]  Marcelle Llewellyn: typewriter: I'm not familiar with those acronyms

[14:35]  Seeker Esparza: *suit*

[14:35]  Chimera Cosmos: do we want to let the person in charge pick the meeting site?

[14:35]  Seeker Esparza: association of internet researchers

[14:35]  Chimera Cosmos: in case they wanted to show off theirs?

[14:35]  You: There is a conference soon, CSCW in early Nov in San Diego, there are some VW events there

[14:35]  Marcelle Llewellyn: I think we're going to need to vary the time, as mentioned on the list

[14:35]  Sheila Yoshikawa: no - we probably go to different conferences!

[14:35]  enaV Bulloch: yes but we should have a common place for those who don't have an island where to host it

[14:36]  Sheila Yoshikawa: and i think a number of us here not from the US

[14:36]  Chimera Cosmos: yes, here is good

[14:36]  You: I'm in two minds about moving the location around. On the one hand it's interesting to see different places. On the other hand, people will get lost if it is not advertised well.

[14:36]  Sleepy Littlething: That sounds liek a good idea Chimera (as long as it's open access - mine wouldn't be yet)

[14:36]  Chimera Cosmos: what time is it where everyone is?

[14:36]  Marcelle Llewellyn: that could work.... especially if folks would be willing to help/share with folks who don't have their own place to haste it

[14:36]  Catraoine Flanagan: just putting it on the list worked well this time

[14:36]  Marcelle Llewellyn: 5:36

[14:36]  You: In the USA it is 230 PM now.

[14:36]  Chimera Cosmos: it's 4:30 in the afternoon here

[14:36]  Fletcher Finesmith: 5:36 pm

[14:36]  Zolt Wind: @Chimera 736 am

[14:36]  You: Sorry, west coast USA 230

[14:36]  Typewriter Tackleberry: I have an auditorium set up on my island already

[14:36]  Sheila Yoshikawa: 22.35

[14:36]  Catraoine Flanagan: 10:36 pm

[14:36]  patch Paulino: mine, 4.30 am

[14:37]  enaV Bulloch: here it's 11:36 pm

[14:37]  Sleepy Littlething: I like this time - I'm guaranteed to be home from work but it's not too late that I'll be keeping my eyes open with matchstics :)

[14:37]  Catraoine Flanagan: poor patch!

[14:37]  You: I thought about "time" a lot during the week - it is going to be hard to find a good time for all. Do we change that week by week as well?

[14:37]  Marcelle Llewellyn: ugh, patch

[14:37]  Sleepy Littlething: 10:36pm here

[14:37]  patch Paulino: lol

[14:37]  Fletcher Finesmith: Wow Patch 4:30????

[14:37]  Marcelle Llewellyn: I think that's inevitable

[14:37]  Chimera Cosmos: PM or AM Patch lol

[14:37]  patch Paulino: i'm in asia

[14:37]  patch Paulino: am

[14:37]  Chimera Cosmos: eek

[14:37]  Sleepy Littlething: i don't think we should change the time too mcuh - otherwise some people will be attending on monday, some on tuesday and some on Wednesday depending on the week and we are VERY likely to lose track of that

[14:37]  Chimera Cosmos: that's the folks I was worried about hehe

[14:37]  Seku Shinji: sorry guys.. im on the phnoe abit.. an might not be paying much attention..:-(

[14:37]  Typewriter Tackleberry: that's hardcore

[14:38]  You: But, I think it's important to consider that, if we change time/place each week, there is the danger of people not knowing when/where the mtg is on.

[14:38]  Chimera Cosmos: dedication!

[14:38]  Typewriter Tackleberry: agreed

[14:38]  Chimera Cosmos: we would need a good system to announce

[14:38]  patch Paulino: i agree

[14:38]  Fletcher Finesmith: I agree. No one time is ever good for everybody.

[14:38]  You: Well I guess we have the SLRL email list!

[14:38]  Chimera Cosmos: a group, or one of those no-group groups hehe

[14:38]  Sleepy Littlething: the list server is fine

[14:38]  Sheila Yoshikawa: we could have a couple of times - i mean not a whole load of times, just a couple of alternatives

[14:38]  Typewriter Tackleberry: hey that crazy thing -=)

[14:38]  Catraoine Flanagan: thats wha I'm talking about

[14:39]  Catraoine Flanagan: worked well today :-)

[14:39]  Geo Meek is Online

[14:39]  Sleepy Littlething: I think most people could swing to an hour earlier or later

[14:39]  Seeker Esparza: yep

[14:39]  Chimera Cosmos: for those of us who are not supposed to be asleep at the moment lol

[14:39]  You: So how about this then: each week one person is the presenter/convenor/facilitator. They choose place/time/topic and advertise it well.

[14:39]  Sleepy Littlething: I agree Catraoine - it's worked well

[14:39]  Chimera Cosmos: like Sleepy! Where are you in RL?

[14:39]  enaV Bulloch: agreed

[14:39]  Catraoine Flanagan: Ta!

[14:39]  Typewriter Tackleberry: agreed

[14:39]  Sleepy Littlething: lol Chimera - I know how you feel - there are many US evening sessions I've stayed up for

[14:39]  Catraoine Flanagan: Ireland

[14:39]  Chimera Cosmos: sounds good--the advertising is key

[14:39]  Marcelle Llewellyn: makes sense

[14:40]  You: Any volunteers to be host next week?

[14:40]  Chimera Cosmos: we could announce it at the previous meeting

[14:40]  Sleepy Littlething: lol - i should always be asleep

[14:40]  Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, i think inclusion of different countries is important

[14:40]  Chimera Cosmos: so many of us would know

[14:40]  Chimera Cosmos: and could help to publicize

[14:40]  Marcelle Llewellyn: definitely.... but I also think that people who are presenting have the most incentive to advertise!

[14:40]  Sheila Yoshikawa: we just have to keep alert for time changes

[14:40]  Chimera Cosmos: :0(

[14:40]  Chimera Cosmos: eek

[14:40]  Chimera Cosmos: I meant :-)

[14:40]  Sleepy Littlething: :)

[14:40]  Catraoine Flanagan: LOl!

[14:40]  Fletcher Finesmith: Time could be post in SLT

[14:40]  Chimera Cosmos: sticky typing fingers lo9l

[14:41]  You: I don't think the advertising needs to be too extensive. Any researcher in Sl should be on the mailing list.

[14:41]  Chimera Cosmos: yes, SLT to avoid confusion

[14:41]  Catraoine Flanagan: It's easiest for us all to figure out our own time based on SLT

[14:41]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Agreed

[14:41]  Sleepy Littlething: Please lets post times in SLT - as a lot of countries are about to add or lose an hour

[14:41]  Seeker Esparza: I'll have a go Grog, if no one is putting their hand up

[14:41]  Typewriter Tackleberry: There are over 1500 on the list now

[14:41]  Sleepy Littlething: Yeah - go seeker!!!!

[14:41]  Chimera Cosmos: we should advertise it on the list every day all week

[14:41]  You: Really, 1500?! Only a fraction are posting?

[14:41]  Chimera Cosmos: in case RL prevents keeping up

[14:41]  Seeker Esparza: there ar 5000 on the sled list

[14:41]  Catraoine Flanagan: But many are reading :-)

[14:41]  Sleepy Littlething: I'd have thought that was quite typical

[14:41]  Typewriter Tackleberry: yeah we need more posts on SLRL folks =)

[14:42]  Chimera Cosmos: including SLT!

[14:42]  Chimera Cosmos: Pacific time will change

[14:42]  Catraoine Flanagan: Hope to have time again soon...

[14:42]  You: Are we all agreed, Seeker is next week's host? What is your topic Seeker?

[14:42]  Marcelle Llewellyn: sounds good

[14:42]  Seeker Esparza: Wow - nothing like putting a girl on the spot!

[14:42]  Chimera Cosmos: haha

[14:42]  Seeker Esparza: I'll have to get back to you all on that

[14:42]  You: YOu can be general

[14:42]  Typewriter Tackleberry: all eyes turn to Seeker =)

[14:42]  Sleepy Littlething: fair enough

[14:43]  Chimera Cosmos: some groups post the group chat online

[14:43]  You: I mean, give us a general topic now and specifiy later

[14:43]  Seeker Esparza: seeker is blushing

[14:43]  Sleepy Littlething: your turn to lead us Seeker :D

[14:43]  Chimera Cosmos: anyone have a place to do that or want to?

[14:43]  Chimera Cosmos: post the notes/chat

[14:43]  Typewriter Tackleberry: i have a place with an auditorium

[14:43]  You: I have two websites I could post the chat log and schedule on

[14:43]  Seeker Esparza: I think it will be easier to stick to one location unless we need to do a field trip to show something

[14:43]  Chimera Cosmos: as long as the link is given out along with the meeting announcements, that's good

[14:44]  You: Well Seeker you are next week's boss anyway - so you pick this place again if you like

[14:44]  Sleepy Littlething: sounds good

[14:44]  Marcelle Llewellyn: that's fine with me

[14:44]  enaV Bulloch: fine as wel

[14:44]  Seeker Esparza: Ok, will do. So same time next week?

[14:44]  Typewriter Tackleberry: sounds good

[14:44]  Catraoine Flanagan: yes

[14:44]  Marcelle Llewellyn: ok

[14:44]  enaV Bulloch: ok

[14:44]  Sleepy Littlething: :) - yes please

[14:44]  You: Do you want to choose an Australia-friendly time?

[14:44]  patch Paulino: ok

[14:44]  Seeker Esparza: Do we want to form an inworld group to send messages etc?

[14:44]  Chimera Cosmos: later in OZ means Europe is in bed lol

[14:44]  Catraoine Flanagan: yes!!

[14:44]  You: I think the SLRL "group" is enough

[14:45]  You: but I don't mind

[14:45]  Seeker Esparza: Time was ok Grog, and I think it suits the others (except Patch - sorry Patch!)

[14:45]  Sleepy Littlething: Should we not just keep it on the list server so anyone who is interested in that week's meeting can attend

[14:45]  Sheila Yoshikawa: there's the SL researchers group

[14:45]  Typewriter Tackleberry: there is an SLRL group?

[14:45]  patch Paulino: i'm ok

[14:45]  Typewriter Tackleberry: am i in that?

[14:45]  Sheila Yoshikawa: isn't that the obvious one?

[14:45]  Seku Shinji: lol

[14:45]  Sleepy Littlething: Without having to add yet another group!

[14:45]  Chimera Cosmos: I like getting announcements in world--is their a logical group we all mostly belong to already?

[14:45]  Typewriter Tackleberry: spose i should be =)

[14:45]  Seeker Esparza: Ok so just on the slrl list

[14:45]  Dongon Takaaki: that will be great to have a group identification for us

[14:45]  You: I mean, just use the SLRL email-list, rather than create a new group. Too many groups to keep track of.

[14:46]  You: There is a "researcher" group in Sl but I don't know much about it

[14:46]  Chimera Cosmos: each of us could announce in our main groups if appropriate and we had time

[14:46]  Typewriter Tackleberry: I know i have 5 clown groups alone....doesn;t...everyone? =)

[14:46]  Sleepy Littlething: lol

[14:46]  You: c'mon Seeker, give us a genral topic

[14:46]  Chimera Cosmos is afraid of clowns

[14:46]  Seeker Esparza: BTW there is another meeting today at Centre for Social Presence for those doing that type of research

[14:46]  Chimera Cosmos: hehe

[14:46]  Marcelle Llewellyn: oh, crud... I have class this time next week. Oh well.... we'll never get a time that works for everyone.

[14:46]  Seeker Esparza: No Grog, it will have to be a suprise

[14:46]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Wish i couild go to that oo seeker

[14:46]  Seku Shinji: the social persence group..whre do they announce thier meetings?

[14:47]  Catraoine Flanagan: SLRL too

[14:47]  Sleepy Littlething: I think that sounds good Chimera

[14:47]  Fletcher Finesmith: Anyone else attending the social presence meeting tonight?

[14:47]  enaV Bulloch: hi seeker can you please post the topic on the SL list together with the time

[14:47]  Chimera Cosmos: yes, I am

[14:47]  Sheila Yoshikawa: well, patch is not likely tohave a class at this time anyway

[14:47]  Seeker Esparza: Through the sled list and Im in their group I think

[14:47]  You: Yes, and the Thinkers discussion group is on in 3/4 hour - if you like (non research) discussions I recommend it

[14:47]  Sheila Yoshikawa: ;-)

[14:47]  enaV Bulloch: so that we might want to contribute

[14:47]  Chimera Cosmos: Fletcher

[14:47]  Catraoine Flanagan: nope, too late for our side of the pond, unfortunately

[14:47]  Seeker Esparza: Yes, enaV will post all details on slrl

[14:47]  Chimera Cosmos: and the SLED calendar...

[14:47]  patch Paulino: surething sheila

[14:47]  Bennamino Beebe: when and where is the social preseence thing

[14:47]  patch Paulino: lol

[14:48]  Seeker Esparza: yes and the calendar

[14:48]  You: Yes, if hosts publish topic/place/SLT we will all find it easy enough .. but give us enough time with the topic to do a little prep

[14:48]  enaV Bulloch: ok will have to leave now...hope to see you all next week

[14:48]  Catraoine Flanagan: Bye enaV

[14:48]  Typewriter Tackleberry: also we should twitter and facebook it to pick up new people

[14:48]  enaV Bulloch: thanks and bye

[14:48]  You: see ya enaV, thanks for coming today

[14:48]  Sleepy Littlething: bye

[14:48]  Sheila Yoshikawa: BTW there are 300+ people in the SL researchers group in SL

[14:48]  Fletcher Finesmith: Look on the SLED wiki for the SP meeting.

[14:48]  Seku Shinji: is there a facebook group?

[14:48]  Chimera Cosmos: Meadowbrook 60,198,22

[14:48]  Seeker Esparza: Bennamino - social presence meeting is at Meadowbrook 48 202 22 at 11am Australian time

[14:49]  You: I don't think that researchers group is very active though

[14:49]  Bennamino Beebe: thanx

[14:49]  Seeker Esparza: I think - but got time wrong for this meeting - hour early

[14:49]  Seeker Esparza: see ya grog

[14:49]  Sheila Yoshikawa: I can post notices to it

[14:49]  Fletcher Finesmith: Thanks Grog. See you next week.

[14:49]  You: the Social Presence talk is in Search/Events

[14:49]  Chimera Cosmos: also: http://www.rezed.org/group/socialpresenceinvirtualworlds

[14:49]  Bennamino Beebe: thanks

[14:50]  Seeker Esparza: thanks for the more accurate info lol

[14:50]  Seeker Esparza: I can only focus on one set of meeting details at one time

[14:50]  Chimera Cosmos: I have down 7 PM for the meeting--but I can't remember whether that's SLT or translated already!

[14:50]  You: What about a website to keep track of this discussion/meeting/seminar from week to week? Do you guys want me to do that?

[14:50]  Seku Shinji: where will this meeting minuets be posted?

[14:50]  Catraoine Flanagan: SLT i think

[14:50]  Chimera Cosmos: sure Grog--I vote yes

[14:50]  Chimera Cosmos: if you have time

[14:50]  You: I have 5pm SLT for the Social Presence mtg

[14:51]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Anyoen else on twitter here please send me your ids so i can follow you

[14:51]  Chimera Cosmos: ok, then I translated to Central US time hehe

[14:51]  Chimera Cosmos: ldinstl_chimera on twitter

[14:51]  Marcelle Llewellyn: it's just about 3SLT now....7 would be somewhere in the atlantic

[14:51]  Marcelle Llewellyn: or maybe western europe

[14:51]  Seeker Esparza: Yes, 5pm SLT

[14:51]  Chimera Cosmos: yes, it's almost 5 PM in St. Louis right now

[14:51]  Chimera Cosmos: 2 hours later than SLT

[14:52]  Chimera Cosmos: SLT is California

[14:52]  Sheila Yoshikawa: hmm 5pm SL time makes it rather late for Europeans too

[14:52]  You: I have two websites already (one is my Phd blog at http://virtualgreg.spill-label.org ... I can summarize our decisions today and post the summary with a chat log on one of these websites. It's just a way to keep track of things on a static website without having to go through one's emails. Yes?

[14:52]  Chimera Cosmos: sure does

[14:52]  Chimera Cosmos: Willow chose that

[14:52]  Seeker Esparza: yep

[14:52]  Seku Shinji: kwel

[14:52]  Catraoine Flanagan: yes

[14:52]  Chimera Cosmos: we can put in your request for an earlier time

[14:52]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Excellent and post it to SLRL too please

[14:53]  Catraoine Flanagan: Thank you!

[14:53]  You: I will post the URL to SLRL after I've got it online (this afternoon - I work fast)

[14:53]  Catraoine Flanagan: I really wanted to attend the meeting.

[14:53]  Dongon Takaaki: thanks grog

[14:53]  patch Paulino: thanks grog

[14:53]  Sheila Yoshikawa: thanks

[14:53]  Marcelle Llewellyn: yes, thanks for facilitating

[14:53]  Melvie Pawpaw: Twitter id= melvie

[14:54]  Sleepy Littlething: yes - ty

[14:54]  Seeker Esparza: Ok, all, I'm off, great to meet you all

[14:54]  Seku Shinji: twitter id=njoying

[14:54]  Sheila Yoshikawa: bye

[14:54]  You: Do we have time for more discussion today? Or is everyone done?

[14:54]  Catraoine Flanagan: Bye seeker

[14:54]  Sleepy Littlething: bye

[14:54]  Chimera Cosmos: thank you Grog--being at PARC must be very exciting

[14:54]  Melvie Pawpaw: Glad this is getting started. Bye all!

[14:54]  Sleepy Littlething: see you next week

[14:54]  Seeker Esparza: Sounds like I'll see some of you at the social presence meeting

[14:54]  Sleepy Littlething: no pressure ;)

[14:54]  Catraoine Flanagan: Bye!

[14:54]  Marcelle Llewellyn: twitter = marcelle42

[14:54]  Seeker Esparza: and I will post infor about the next meeting of this group to the list

[14:54]  patch Paulino: bye seeker

[14:54]  Dongon Takaaki: take care everyone~ bye

[14:55]  Seku Shinji: thanks all...

[14:55]  Catraoine Flanagan: Bye Dongon

[14:55]  Seeker Esparza is Offline

[14:55]  Seku Shinji: typewriter..did u send me something..or u still working on it?

[14:55]  Chimera Cosmos: whew--have to re-read the chat to see what everyone said about themselved lol

[14:55]  You: Yes I think a few of us will be at the Social Presence mtg at 1700

[14:56]  Chimera Cosmos: yes, I plan to

[14:56]  You: I wonder if, part of a SLRL website should be a dictionary of SL names to RL names? Does that break the rules too much?

[14:56]  Geo Meek is Offline

[14:56]  Typewriter Tackleberry: Ok folks i am off. Thanks so much for you all comming it was so goodd to hear about your work

[14:56]  Chimera Cosmos: a good place for that is on Facebook with the SL connect app

[14:56]  Typewriter Tackleberry: post to SLRL =)

[14:56]  Chimera Cosmos: works well for those that want to reveal

[14:57]  Typewriter Tackleberry: see you soon.

[14:57]  Catraoine Flanagan: I guess if you ot peoples permission first it would be OK

[14:57]  Sheila Yoshikawa: bye

[14:57]  You: but is everyone on facebook?

[14:57]  Chimera Cosmos: anyone on FB and want to connect?

[14:57]  Catraoine Flanagan: Bye Typewriter

[14:57]  Typewriter Tackleberry: FB Mark Bell Twitter : typewriter

[14:57]  You: If I post the chat-log on the www, it contains a lot of "my RL name is ..."

[14:57]  Chimera Cosmos: Typewriter and I are already friends there hehe

[14:57]  Typewriter Tackleberry: LOL

[14:57]  Chimera Cosmos: and his esposa too

[14:57]  You: I've not done Twitter yet - does it drive you crazy with noise?

[14:58]  Chimera Cosmos: you have to go there

[14:58]  Chimera Cosmos: so no

[14:58]  Chimera Cosmos: hehe

[14:58]  Marcelle Llewellyn: I've long since decided that my RL is going to be connected with this avatar, so that's fine

[14:58]  Chimera Cosmos: I don't use the phone, only the twitter web interface

[14:58]  Sleepy Littlething: good point grog - maybe it should go to the list first and ask people's opinions next week

[14:58]  Seku Shinji: bye all

[14:58]  Seku Shinji is Offline

[14:58]  You: Ok - for now, I won't post the transcript on the webpage - just a summary and a pointer to next week's mtg

[14:58]  Marcelle Llewellyn: I have mine set up with my phone, but it has a lot of settings, so you can make it work for what you need.... ditto with clients like twhirl

[14:58]  Chimera Cosmos: SL-FB connect is cool--you can see RL identities if permitted, and whether folks are on SL or noot

[14:58]  Sheila Yoshikawa: i just joined it to test it out and even though i don't twitter i've got about 10 followers - spam i presume

[14:58]  Chimera Cosmos: not

[14:59]  Marcelle Llewellyn: ok, I'm out for this evening.... thanks everyone!

[14:59]  Chimera Cosmos: the trick is to look at the cool people and see who they follow lol

[14:59]  Chimera Cosmos: then you get good inside info

[14:59]  Sleepy Littlething: ditto - time for bed for me I think!

[14:59]  Sleepy Littlething: Godd to meet you all

[14:59]  Catraoine Flanagan: Me too!

[15:00]  Catraoine Flanagan: Bye all!

[15:00]  Sheila Yoshikawa: yes, bye!

[15:00]  Chimera Cosmos: pleasure :-)

[15:00]  Sleepy Littlething: Bye!

[15:00]  You: this party's ending!