Seeker Esparza: good morning!
Seeker Esparza: or whatever time it is where you are lol
Eponine Osterham: lols to the comic
Grog Waydelich: can you see the cartoon from there?
Grog Waydelich: So here's the true story of the cartoon ... (just while we wait until start time) ...
Grog Waydelich: I am temporarily living in Palo Alto ...
Grog Waydelich: I moved into an interesting share house, mostly Stanford postgrads ...
Grog Waydelich: one of the guys won a New Yorker magazine cartoon caption contest ...
Eponine Osterham: clever!
CharlotteLennox Scribe: awesome!
Grog Waydelich: I looked at it online, and found to my amazement that it is relevant to my project at PARC ...
Grog Waydelich: (problems of 3d reference during collaborative building)
Grog Waydelich: I asked him, I have to use this in my next Powerpoint display ... he said I could!
Seeker Esparza: now thats what I call an enterance!
PuRpleThistLe MacMoragh: huzzah!
PuRpleThistLe MacMoragh: just what I was going for!
Grog Waydelich: a few preliminaries ...
Grog Waydelich: is everyone happy if I use voice?
Learner Magic: Research meeting?
Grog Waydelich: yes
Grog Waydelich: using voice
Seeker Esparza: mostly people have been using text
Seeker Esparza: but the speaker use voice
Grog Waydelich: Topics: any or all of these, depending on what people are interested in
1. collaborative building
2. camera-avatar independence
3. pros and cons of voice
4. using a script to "LifeLog" in SL
5. format of these meetings
Grog Waydelich: voting on topics ...
Seeker Esparza: perhaps an overview would be good to get discussion going
Teachergirl Razor: a little on each
Madoc Constantine: pros and cons of voice sounds interesting for me
Orwell Sorbet: voice too
lizit Cleanslate: I go for pros and cons of voice
Dongon Takaaki: I like topic 3 too
Mariis Mills: pros and cons works for me as well :-)
Lacan Galicia: Voice is ok to me
Jeni Netizen: Pros and cons sounds good to me.
Mew Aeon: pros and cons
Eponine Osterham: i'm fine with anything
Learner Magic: Voice is good
CharlotteLennox Scribe: collaborative building
Grog Waydelich: re collaborative building project at PARC .. http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/2008/09/collaborative_b.html#more
Grog Waydelich: http://blogs.parc.com/playon/archives/2008/09/collaborative_b.html#more
Grog Waydelich: 1. collaborative building
2. camera-avatar independence
3. pros and cons of voice
4. using a script to "LifeLog" in SL
5. format of these meetings
Olf Ort: Just a quick question
Grog Waydelich: sure
Olf Ort: What is the overall aim of the study? e.g.
Olf Ort: increasing useability of SL?
Mariis Mills: Question: did anything surprise you ?
Seeker Esparza: it's interestingfrom the point of view of consciousness
Seeker Esparza: the mind body split
Seeker Esparza: comparison to sl av veersus camera view
Ny Tolsen: but there is this function "show look at" in the advanced menu
Ny Tolsen: It's Advanced Menu -> Character -> Show Look At
Dongon Takaaki: :)
Teachergirl Razor: yes
Ny Tolsen: It would be interesting what visualisations would be better? (Show a pair of eyes / show the head)
Grog Waydelich: 1. collaborative building
2. camera-avatar independence
3. pros and cons of voice
4. using a script to "LifeLog" in SL
5. format of these meetings
Olf Ort: I still haven't found the advanced menu is this a mac thing?
Olf Ort: I have amac and I can't find it
Olf Ort: Oh well - somehting for later
Mew Aeon: cmd opt shift d
Kid Kuhn: * PC - Ctrl-Alt-D
* Mac - Opt-Ctrl-D
Olf Ort: Thnks
Seeker Esparza: I find it interesting that some people feel that and others dont
Seeker Esparza: presence in avatar
Spiral Theas: I'm on a Mac and have the advanced menu. I think it's a version of SL-software thing.
Seeker Esparza: that's what I'm interested in for my PhD
Grog Waydelich: What are the differences between voice and text?
Grog Waydelich: Three answers:
1. properties of the media
2. users' physical context
3. extra technical requirements of voice
Grog Waydelich: http://disweb.dis.unimelb.edu.au/staff//gwadley/
Grog Waydelich: immersionists and augmentationists
Teachergirl Razor: yes
Seeker Esparza: yes
Kid Kuhn: yes
Dongon Takaaki: yup
Chimera Cosmos: yes
Chimera Cosmos: but it is a contested categorization :-)
Chimera Cosmos: agree
Chimera Cosmos: I think that most of us educators are pretty WYSIWYG
Chimera Cosmos: for collaborative purposes
Seeker Esparza: I think it's up to the presenter and the type of meeting
Chimera Cosmos: right--that was our discussion--presenter option
Jeni Netizen: This is my first week here, but this format seemed to work well. Although, I think that could depend on the people and the topic.
Olf Ort: This is my first voice meeting and it works much better than pure text
Spiral Theas: Or maybe interweave?
Olf Ort: I like the option of commenting or asking in text though since I don't know anyone here
Grog Waydelich: any volunteers for next week?
Spiral Theas: 15 minutes present, discuss, then more present?
Seeker Esparza: I like it when the presenter talks and others use text
Seeker Esparza: easier to keep up
homer Tennen: same here
Seeker Esparza: and seems to flow better
Grog Waydelich: I agree
Jeni Netizen: Also gives the presenter the option of respondidng right away or not.
homer Tennen: it keeps me focused
Seeker Esparza: I think we should leave content of the meetings up to the presenter
Seeker Esparza: ie someone might want to talk about their research
Chimera Cosmos: me too--only presenter in voice
Ny Tolsen: I really like it that the speaker can elaborate on things that are mentioned ans asked in the chat
Chimera Cosmos: then discussion during and after in text
Seeker Esparza: someone might want to talk about what they would like to research and get feedback
Grog Waydelich: Anyone want to "own" next week? Or do we need a two-week gap between meetings?
Chimera Cosmos: with presenter moderating in voice
Seeker Esparza: etd
Olf Ort: I would like to present by building on what has been talked about this week.
Olf Ort: I am interested in the use of SL for teaching students urban planning
Mariis Mills: agree .. best mode .. speaker on voice .. the rest on text
Grog Waydelich: can you give away your RL id Olf?
Seeker Esparza: I should add that if you dont have a 'place' you are welcome to use Monash to present
Olf Ort: Marco Amati - Macquarie Uni
Grog Waydelich: sounds like a good topic
Grog Waydelich: oh, Macquarie!
Olf Ort: ha ha!
Seeker Esparza: another Aussie
Grog Waydelich: Perhaps we should have a more Australia-friendly time?!
Mariis Mills: sounds great Olf
Olf Ort: kind of
Seeker Esparza: I think we are lucky it is 9am her
Seeker Esparza: poor europeans I think it is 10pm
Jeni Netizen: 6 pm here.
Grog Waydelich: Now that the US has stopped daylight saving, and Australia has started it, the 1400SLT time is less horrible to Australians
lizit Cleanslate: 11pm where I am though
Chimera Cosmos: danged Aussies are everywhere :-)
Ny Tolsen: it is midnight in switzerland
Seeker Esparza: yikes
Mariis Mills: In DK too ..
Seeker Esparza: Ny, you are dedicated lol
Ny Tolsen: :)
Olf Ort: Ok - well let's keep it at 2pm SLT no?
Ny Tolsen: trying to be M)
Chimera Cosmos: You can still talk Grog :-))
Grog Waydelich: It's truly impossible to find one time that suits everyone -- perhaps we just leave it to the presenter each week to choose one. As long as it changes week to week, everyone gets a range of good and bad times.
Seeker Esparza: I dont mind a hour earlier if it helps others to stay awake
Chimera Cosmos: yes--presenter choice
Grog Waydelich: so is Olf the point-person next week?
Grog Waydelich: anyone else want to volunteer?
Seeker Esparza: sounds good
Olf Ort: Fair enough. It is in my interests to make it as easy for everyone to attend though
Ny Tolsen: yes, if it changes from week to week it's good. would just not be perfect to keep it a midnight meeting
Chimera Cosmos: or maybe four places
Ny Tolsen: :)
Chimera Cosmos: also those between Europe and OZ
Ny Tolsen: i would like to, butgive me another 3 or 4 weeks
Olf Ort: Ok
Ny Tolsen: (switzerland)
Seeker Esparza: I will try, I'm actually better later at night than morning
Seeker Esparza: Maybe a wiki?
Chimera Cosmos: or wiki--so can edit
Chimera Cosmos: right
Seeker Esparza: then we can post transcripts etc
Ny Tolsen: would be nice!
Olf Ort: google groups?
Mariis Mills: I could present a study I did in here with 22 students over 5 weeks ? But not until december .
Seeker Esparza: wiki would be better than website
Chimera Cosmos: we could add a page to the SLED wiki
Seeker Esparza: more collaborative
Chimera Cosmos: for the group
homer Tennen: wiki would be good
lizit Cleanslate: Doesn't the RexEd site have events listed
Grog Waydelich: a website for time/date/topic/presenter/transcript/etc
lizit Cleanslate: *REZED
Chimera Cosmos: central
Seeker Esparza: rezed or sled would be great
Chimera Cosmos: lots of overlap
Chimera Cosmos: would increase exposure too
Ny Tolsen: i vote for a wiki - what is rezed actually?
Seeker Esparza: rezed has facility to have groups
Chimera Cosmos: everyone can
Seeker Esparza: can get edit rights
Chimera Cosmos: just join
Chimera Cosmos: Rezed is a Ning network
homer Tennen: i could present perhaps in late nov or dec (am in uk)
Chimera Cosmos: presenter could put up own
Chimera Cosmos: from their week
Seeker Esparza: but think a 'place' is a good idea to store stuff and make announcements
Chimera Cosmos: no!
Chimera Cosmos: mean put it up on the wiki
Chimera Cosmos: for their week
Chimera Cosmos: right
Ny Tolsen: in a wiki we could plan dates more in the future
Chimera Cosmos: yes
Olf Ort: Yes
Seeker Esparza: great outfit olf
Olf Ort: I haven't used them before.
Chimera Cosmos: a Rezed group would be in threaded format, SLED in free form wiki
Olf Ort: Sure
Seeker Esparza: I can set up a free wiki for the group if you like
Olf Ort: Yes Seeker, please do.
Chimera Cosmos: SLED is also SL specific
Chimera Cosmos: Rezed is for any virtual world
Olf Ort: I have a very drafty paper I would like people to comment on
Chimera Cosmos: and a lot of the 1000 members are K-12 educators
Olf Ort: I can post it up there in advance
Chimera Cosmos: cool Olf!
Olf Ort: Ok great
Ny Tolsen: SLED is about Education, and we are more about Research, right?
Seeker Esparza: Ok, so do you want me to set up a sl researchers wiki
Seeker Esparza: there are a lot of differences
Ny Tolsen: where?
Chimera Cosmos: are most here doing educational research?
lizit Cleanslate: but lots of people are involved in both
Chimera Cosmos: or not?
lizit Cleanslate: the voice stuff is very relevant
Olf Ort: And the pointing stuff
Ny Tolsen: but if we decide for SLED than the focus will get more on education than on research i think.... dont know if we want that....
Grog Waydelich: sorry Seeker, my sitting and standing is out of control on this thing
Seeker Esparza: I agree ny
Mariis Mills: Very relevant for anyone using sl .. we're all at a starting point ..
Ny Tolsen: because other SLEDers will join that are not that interested in research
Seeker Esparza: agree
Chimera Cosmos: then we need our own wiki
Seeker Esparza: OK, I will make a wiki and send the link to the list
Chimera Cosmos: with someone in charge :-)
Chimera Cosmos: that's the problem lol
Ny Tolsen: perfect, Seeker!
Ny Tolsen: thanks
homer Tennen: many thanks
Olf Ort: thanks
Jeni Netizen: Thanks!
Seeker Esparza: yes, they are floating around
Seeker Esparza: I have them and will add to the wikiwhen I creat it
Seeker Esparza: send it to me and I will clean it and add
Ny Tolsen: credentials?
Chimera Cosmos: that could go on a page that only members can access
Seeker Esparza: Wiki will be open for membership wehen you are member you will have edit rights
Seeker Esparza: so will be able to make pages etc
Seeker Esparza: if they want to make it public - why not?
Chimera Cosmos: yes--opt out
Chimera Cosmos: if not comfortable
Seeker Esparza: email it to me in RL
Grog Waydelich: meta- conversation!
Seeker Esparza: seekersbrain@gmail.com
Ny Tolsen: is there an SL group for these meetings - and this group? or dont we need that?
Chimera Cosmos: weird
Chimera Cosmos: could we announce on other groups?
Seeker Esparza: let'smake an inworld group
Chimera Cosmos: with SL research focus?
Seeker Esparza: good for sending announcements
Seeker Esparza: reminders etc
Chimera Cosmos: like Science Friday does
Chimera Cosmos: so we can take over!!
Chimera Cosmos: lol
Jeni Netizen: I'm in a few as well, and yeah, there doesn't seem to be a lot going on.
Seeker Esparza: we could be called Tuesday research group
Ny Tolsen: but if we have the wiki maybe that's enough for starters?
Jeni Netizen: Tuesday Night Research Club?
Olf Ort: It's wednesday here
Seeker Esparza: wed in Aus
Chimera Cosmos: "I don't want to be a member of any club that would have me"
Seeker Esparza: good point
Jeni Netizen: Well, scratch that, then.
Seeker Esparza: he he
Chimera Cosmos: Groucho Marx
Seeker Esparza: SL Researchers Discussion Group 'SLRDG'
lizit Cleanslate: Past my bedtime - goodnight folk
Ny Tolsen: are you guys only interested in SL or also in OpenSim, Activeworlds etc?
Seeker Esparza: seeya lizit
Seeker Esparza: yes good point
Seeker Esparza: I'm interested in all
Jeni Netizen: I'm dipping my toes into There, but it's mostly SL on my end.
Ny Tolsen: me too
Jeni Netizen: Although I'm interested in video game research as well...
Olf Ort: Its a really good question. Google Earth and sketchup are clear rivals to SL for what I want to do with it
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Chimera Cosmos: SL has the broadest community by far
Seeker Esparza: yes
Jeni Netizen: And I need to vacate my lab, so take care all, and thanks.
Olf Ort: Also a lot of sunk costs for current users
Chimera Cosmos: and I think the community aspect is really important for research and education
Ny Tolsen: SL is for sure the best place to meet (so far)
Seeker Esparza: ok to meet in SL but sometimes talk about others
Chimera Cosmos: yes
Olf Ort: I agree
Seeker Esparza: It's easier to meet here as we are all used to the environment
Seeker Esparza: 'but I wopuld love to discuss other environments
Olf Ort: I have to go now. Seeker will you be in touch? marco.amati@mq.edu.au
Chimera Cosmos: thanks Grog
Olf Ort: Ok see you both again!
Grog Waydelich: bye
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